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The HolliDance Benchmark

Last Change: 27/Sep/2004

[HolliDance Screenshot] HolliDance is a real-time 3D animation program written by David White. Because of the particular type of scene which HolliDance displays, namely an animated scene containing multiple lights, the program can be used as a useful real-time 3D rendering benchmark. The reasons why HolliDance is a relevant benchmark are discussed later.

For a general description of HolliDance, I offer David's own:

"Holli Dance is a real time animation program that I intended to look like an MTV video. It depicts a virtual girl who dances. Two virtual camera operators capture the action while a virtual lighting effects person sets the mood. She dances to music played through your workstation's microphone, line in jacks, or CD player (you may need to run a cable from your CD player to your line jacks)."

For the primary purpose of using HolliDance as a graphics benchmark, I do not use the audio-analysis aspects of the program.

David has ported HolliDance to several platforms, including Power Macintosh, BeOS machines, Sony Playstation and, of course, SGIs. The distribution file for SGIs is available at:

  http://home.san.rr.com/dwhite2/HolliDance.tar.gz

or you can download my own local copy (the file is approximately 515K). Note that my own submitted results have been using the executable called HolliDance5.3 since that doesn't bother with audio input. Also note that HolliDance won't run on systems with an 8-bit XL graphics board since the program cannot obtain an appropriate visual.


Why use HolliDance as a benchmark?

The complete 3D scene in HolliDance contains some 10600 polygons with three lights (two directional and one spotlight). At first glance, one may think this is not a large number of polygons to have in a benchmark model, but what is far more important here is the presence of the multiple lights. As a result, a great deal of computation must be done to compute each frame because the spotlight involves different lighting normals for every vertex and the three lights must be combined.

Ordinarily, a model containing 10000 polygons would pose no problem to most modern graphics systems. However, the multiple lights impose a much greater burden on a graphics subsystem. This benchmark page focuses on exactly how different SGI graphics systems respond to the presence of this non-trivial lighting and, more importantly, why different systems behave in the ways they do.

Many graphics-intensive applications are bottlenecked by the available pixel fill rate or pre-processing performance, but in this case the crucial issue is how a system handles intensive geometry and lighting calculations. Different systems employ different methods, perhaps because of historical design legacies, cost targets, modern market goals, or other reasons; these varying approaches can have a radical effect on how a system handles the HolliDance program, with some surprising counter-intuitive results.


So who would be interested in HolliDance as a benchmark?

Anyone doing real-time 3D animation with non-trivial lighting and possible application overhead. Or, put simply, anyone doing VRML! There are plenty of benchmarks available for people doing CAD work, or complex rendering, or severely intensive pixel filling (Viewperf and other benchmarks cover these areas), but nobody has yet created a benchmark which would be of interest to VRML programmers and general real-time 3D animators, which includes game writers (not many at present for SGIs, but I expect that to change over the next few years). HolliDance fills this gap nicely.

Also note that HolliDance is a double-buffered program. Graphics experts may complain about a double-buffered test being used as a benchmark (here's why), but the point is that the 'real-world' task this test is supposed to represent is a double-buffered application, namely real-time animations. For such tasks, one wishes to know how a system performs in double-buffered mode for particular tasks and how different rendering states affect performance, as opposed to the peak theoretical single-buffered performance of the graphics hardware, ie. the final real-world situation is more important.

The keys aspects of these kinds of 3D environment are:

Just about any decent VRML world would satisfy these three requirements, or any modern 3D game.


The Benchmark Tests

When HolliDance is first run, a 320x240 window is presented. A text output in the executing xterm displays a constantly updated frame rate.

My test suite utilises four scenarios: two different viewpoints at two different window sizes (default window size and near-maximum size). Here is a summary of these scenarios:

  1. Default (small) window size, default camera view with textures disabled,

  2. Large window size, default camera view with textures disabled,

  3. Default (small) window size, camera view showing lots of texture,

  4. Large window size, camera view showing lots of texture.

For all the tests, 'D' is pressed to stop Holli responding to audio input (she still moves slightly, providing some useful 'application overhead').

The 'default camera view' (21K JPEG) referred to in tests 1 and 2 is obtained by pressing 'C' when the program first runs.

The viewpoint used in tests 3 and 4 is a reverse-angle view (24K JPEG). The easiest way to obtain the view is to simply use the available key controls until the view is more or less identical. This is trivial to do.

For each of the four tests, the program's texture, lighting and 'background' scenery states are altered ON and OFF in combination, with frames-per-second (fps) and data from gr_osview recorded in each case. Since gr_osview can affect frame rate, the fps figures should be noted with gr_osview in a minimised-window state. Please note that, to properly show why HolliDance is useful as a benchmark, gr_osview must be used in order to reveal more detailed information about what is happening inside the CPU and graphics subsystems. This does mean it takes more time to gather the results, but this is the only way to obtain genuinely useful data.


Raw Data

Here are the raw results reports, presented in order of reporting date (due to the nature of the tests, it isn't possible to list the results in terms of any overall winning performance metric). You may need to widen your browser window slightly.


  TABLE 1.
                                     Frames Per Second
  System  System Name and          T2      T2   T4     T4    CPU Type, Clock     Num    Submission   IRIX
  Number  Graphics Name/Type       LON    LOFF  LON   LOFF   Speed, L2-per-CPU   CPUs      Date      O.S.

   15.    Indy R5000SC/150 XGE24   1.58   2.12  0.38  1.87   R5000SC 150MHz 512K  1    10/Feb/2001   6.2
   14.    Onyx RE2 2RM5           13.00  24.00 14.50 23.50   R10000SC 196MHz 1MB  2    01/Feb/2001   6.5
   13.    Onyx2 IR 4RM9/64MB      35.71  71.43 35.71 71.71   R10000SC 250MHz 4MB  4    05/May/2000   6.5.7
   12.    Indigo2 MaxIMPACT/1MB   14.93  24.39 14.93 18.52   R10000SC 195MHz 1MB  1    04/May/2000   6.5.7
   11.    Indigo2 Extreme          1.90   4.52  0.39  0.44   R4400SC 250MHz 2MB   1    11/Apr/2000   6.5.5m
   10.    Indigo2 HighIMPACT       9.01  12.05  8.50 12.05   R4400SC 250MHz 2MB   1    24/Jan/1999   6.5
    9.    Indigo GR2-XS24Z         0.29   0.88  0.04  0.05   R3000PC  33MHz       1    24/Aug/1998   5.2
    8.    Indigo GR2-Elan          0.42   2.13  0.04  0.04   R3000PC  33MHz       1    12/Aug/1998   5.2
    7.    Onyx RES 1RM4           15.40  21.00   ?     ?     R10000  194MHz 1MB   4    10/Aug/1998    ?
    6.    Indigo GR2-Elan          0.92   2.60  0.45  1.20   R3000PC  33MHz       1    08/Aug/1998   5.3
    5.    Indy 24bit XL            0.74   1.04  0.17  0.18   R4600PC 100MHz       1    15/Jul/1998   6.2
    4.    Indy 24bit XL            0.87   1.18  0.21  0.22   R4600PC 133MHz       1    14/Jul/1998   6.2
    3.    Indy 24bit XL            1.42   1.95  0.29  0.30   R4400SC 200MHz 1MB   1    30/Jun/1998   6.2
    2.    O2 CRM (rev 2/C/B)       4.15   6.54  4.50  6.56   R5000SC 200MHz 1MB   1    29/Jun/1998   6.3
    1.    Indigo2 GR3-Elan         0.68   2.68  0.22  0.29   R4400SC 250MHz 2MB   1    29/Jun/1998   6.2
   Tests 2 and 4 involve large windows; results for tests 1 and 3, which involve small windows, are not shown in the above table.

   T2 LON  = Test 2, Default View,       Textures Off, Lights ON,  Background On.
   T2 LOFF = Test 2, Default View,       Textures Off, Lights OFF, Background On.
   T4 LON  = Test 4, Reverse-Angle View, Textures ON,  Lights ON,  Background On.
   T4 LOFF = Test 4, Reverse-Angle View, Textures ON,  Lights OFF, Background On.


If you wish to submit a set of results, download the HolliDance archive [local source] and a copy of the results reporting form (use your mouse right button to select the 'Save Link As...' option). Fill out the form and then email it back to me. Note that, at the very least, the form should have all system information and frames-per-second rates filled in - I don't mind too much if the gr_osview information is left out initially and then filled in later after the fps results are added to the results table.


Analysis

Some peculiarities should be immediately noticable in Table 1, including:

  1. Why is R4400/200 Indy XL faster than R4400/250 Indigo2 Elan when the lights are on? Especially given that Indy has a slower main CPU.

  2. For Test 2, why does the performance of Indigo2 Elan jump so much when the lights are turned off? Indy and O2 performance goes up as well, but not by anything like as much.

  3. Why does the presence or absence of texture have little effect on O2's performance?

  4. Given that Indy, O2 and Indigo2 all jump in performance for Test 2 when the lights are turned off, why doesn't this happen for Indy and Indigo2 when the lights are turned off in Test 4?

  5. When moving from a no-texture view (T2) to a lots-of-texture view (T4), Indy and Indigo2 slow down; why does O2 speed up?

Table 1 only includes some of the fps rates from the reported results; examining the full results reports reveals even more oddities, but I'll not list them here.

In order to understand what is happening in these tests, one must:

Here are some pertinent extracts from the gr_osview man page which explain the gr_osview results entries and related factors:

"If intensive graphics activity is under way, then the time spent waiting for the graphics hardware to context switch and the time spent waiting for the graphics FIFO to empty will consume a significant portion of the processor. gr_osview perturbs this slightly, since it causes graphics context switches to occur."

(and describing the 'Gfx' bar...)
"This bar monitors graphics activity on the system. On most systems, the graphics hardware can interrupt the CPU when certain conditions occur; the first bar element measures the amount of such activity, named intr. Every time the processor switches to a new process which is using a GL window on the graphics screen, a graphics context switch occurs, labeled swch. The X server and GL graphics programs will sometimes interact with privileged code in the kernel to obtain some service; this is labeled ioctl after the system call used to perform the service. When a GL graphics program wishes to be synchronized with buffer swapping done during double buffering, it must wait for the next vertical retrace. The number of times this happens is labeled swap. Finally, the graphics pipeline is preceded by a FIFO buffer to smooth data movement into the pipeline. When the FIFO fills up, which it can with a fast processor, it interrupts the host, which waits until the FIFO has emptied somewhat before allowing the graphics process to continue drawing. The fiwt element describes the number of times this has happened. The finowt element describes the number of times the interrupt routine found that the FIFO was below the low-water mark by the time it had saved state and entered the interrupt handler.

The most important factor which determines how different systems behave when running HolliDance is the way in which each system computes geometry and lighting calculations, and how much compute power is available to perform such calculations.


Dealing with each of the earlier numbered points and referring to systems 1, 2 and 3 in Table 1:

Points 1 and 2:

In Indigo2 Elan, all the geometry and lighting calculations must be performed by the geometry engines on the graphics board, namely 128MFLOPS total compute power. Not only is this insufficient to handle three lights, but the main CPU is throwing data too fast at the FIFO queues. As a result, the FIFOs fill up and signal the main CPU to stop sending data until the FIFOs begin to empty again, and the system takes a fair while to calculate the results anyway. Also, this whole process causes alot of context switches. Thus, the main CPU often does very little as it's constantly waiting for the gfx FIFOs to empty before sending any further data (look at the %CPU usage results for System Number 1 in Table 1).

Meanwhile, Indy XL does not suffer from these problems. All the geometry and lighting calculations are carried out by the main CPU. Thus, there are no FIFOs to overfill and far fewer context switches occur. The Indy's CPU runs flat out.

However, both systems have no hardware texture acceleration. In the case of Indy, the main CPU has this extra work to do on top of the geometry/lighting calculations, and so slows down. For Indigo2, the main CPU must also perform the texture calculations, but not the geometry/lighting calculations; this means more exchanging of data between the main CPU and gfx hardware compared to the non-textured scene, more context switches, and thus a significant slowdown. The greater exchange of data which occurs in Indigo2 Elan when textures are present can be seen by the fact that Indigo2 Elan runs Test 4 slower than Indy, but when the lights are turned off the Indigo2 Elan shows a greater speedup (though it still doesn't surpass Indy XL). For Indy XL, turning off the lights doesn't help much because the texture calculations are pretty complex anyway.


Points 2 and 3:

When the lights are turned off, Indigo2 Elan can concentrate on basic geometry and shading, without the lighting calculations causing annoying context switches and FIFOs from filling up. Indy XL merely experiences a lowering of main CPU load, so there is an increase, but not as much. O2 does its geometry and lighting calculations in the main CPU anyway, so turning off the lights simplifies these calculations, whether the main scenery is textured or not.


Point 4:

Whether or not lights are in use, systems that have no texturing hardware must do texturing calculations in the main CPU; these calculations are so complex that the presence or absence of lights is largely swamped by the complexity of the texture calculations. However, an interesting difference can be seen when examining Indigo2 Elan in detail; one observes:

There is a surging back and forth between the two busiest subsystems: main CPU and GE gfx hardware. Apparently, more sophisticated APIs like Performer are smarter about how to handle CPU/gfx loads so that situations like this are better optimised.

However, the degree to which texturing affects the calculations will be much lower if the window size is small. Comparing the results for Test 3 vs. Test 4 for Indy XL, the speed increase is very small when turning off the lights for a large window (0.29 to 0.30), but is much more significant when turning off the lights for a small window (1.63 to 2.16 = 33% faster). Indigo2 Elan shows similar behaviour, jumping from 0.22 to 0.29 for a large window, compared to jumping from 0.61 to 1.85 for a small window (203% faster). The higher increase for Indigo2 Elan shows its hardware Z buffer is more important to overall performance when the lights are turned off. O2's behaviour is different yet again because it has hardware texture acceleration.


Point 5:

Remember that Test 2 and Test 4 are from different viewpoints. Test 4 contains textured scenery, so systems that have no texturing hardware slow down compared to Test 2 by a large margin. O2 has texturing hardware, so for this (relatively) simple scene - from the point of view of the texturing complexity present - there is no real extra workload for O2 to deal with. The fact that the viewpoint is different could easily explain O2's faster performance; for a start, Holli is further away in the scene. Even better evidence is that O2 shows little speedup difference when comparing the unlit large-window default view to the unlit large-window reverse-angle (textured) view.


Confused by now? If so, I'm not surprised. SGI's various systems handle geometry and lighting calculations in very different ways, especially the older and low-end systems. Depending on whether or not a system's gfx hardware must perform these calculations, certain systems can become bottlenecked either because of context switching, FIFOs filling up, constant exchange of data to the main CPU, but probably most of all because older systems with no texturing hardware that do include Geometry Engines (GEs), namely XZ, Elan and Extreme, simply don't have enough compute power to easily handle three lights at once (compared to how fast a good main CPU could perform such calculations).

I've also been told that graphics systems like XZ, Elan and Extreme cannot deal with the lighting calculations in hardware for more than one light at once, and that if extra lights are present then context switching causes temporary data to be stored in main memory (or perhaps some form of cache memory for newer systems like IMPACT). Because of this, further slowdown is inevitable.


So who cares? Why does this matter?

These issues are important because, all put together, they amount to a startling conclusion for those considering second hand and/or older systems:

Or to put it another way, using a simple example:

How can this possibly be? Well, imagine a 180MHz R5000SC Indy 24bit XL compared to a 180MHz R5000SC Indy XZ. The R5000 here offers 360MFLOPS single-precision peak performance. The XZ gfx board offers 128MFLOPS peak performance. One might think that the XZ system must be faster because it offers 'additional compute power' (I can clearly remember thinking at the time, "Wow! Nearly 500MFLOPS total!"), but in reality this may not be the case: the XZ system must do its geometry/lighting calculations on the XZ board, so the R5000 isn't even available to help in the calculations - all that floating point power just sitting there unused! (except for basic triangle setup)

In this case, because the R5000 is much faster than the compute power offered by the XZ board, a scene with complex lighting would be rendered faster on an R5000 Indy XL (this is my theory, but I'm confident that results as they come in will prove me correct). Note however, that what I've described here, namely Indy XL being faster than Indy XZ, can easily not be true, for example in situations where:

and so on. What matters here is that which part of a system deals with geometry/lighting calculations is not up to the user, at least not normally. Hence, a system with no hardware acceleration for geometry/lighting, but a powerful main CPU, will likely be faster than the same system with an older gfx hardware board whose compute power is lower than the main CPU.

I can imagine a similar example of this: 195MHz R10000 Indigo2 XL compared to 195MHz R10000 Extreme. I would now expect the former system to be faster where complex lighting is involved. Similarly, I predict that an O2 with a main CPU that is faster than the GEs of a hardware graphics board will beat a system using such a graphics board for complex lighting tasks. Here I'll make a specific prediction: when O2 can utilise a main CPU which offers an MFLOP rate that is greater than the GEs of IMPACT, I predict that such an O2 could outperform an Indigo2 R10K SolidIMPACT for situations involving complex geometry/lighting (though the higher pixel fill of IMPACT much just hold sway in the end). Such a day may not be that far off: the GE11 ASIC in IMPACT offers 480MFLOPS, whilst R10K/250 in O2 theoretically offers 500MFLOPS. A test comparing the two for HolliDance would be very interesting (if you the reader are using an Indigo2 SolidIMPACT, or an Octane/SI or SE, please submit some results!). When O2 can utilise the R12000 at, say, 300MHz, the fact that O2 won't incur FIFO overfills and context switches for complex lighting should give it an edge over SolidIMPACT - though again, IMPACT's higher pixel fill might make the difference. We shall see.

Perhaps this is why SGI decided to offload geometry and lighting onto the main CPU for O2? ie. it was foreseen that, fairly rapidly, main CPU power would exceed the GE power of older good mid-range gfx systems like IMPACT. It was probably possible to produce geometry hardware that was newer and faster, but that might not have been as cheap as using the main CPU instead. Notice that the primitive-level benchmarks suggest O2 would be about 2.7X better than Indigo2 Elan (Lit GZ Tris/sec), but the benchmark results show that R5K/200 O2 can be 6 or 7 times faster than R4400/250 Indigo2 Elan for tasks like HolliDance (obviously more so when texturing is involved). It's all down to geometry and lighting.

Conclusion and Summary

Most of these issues concern older SGI systems because such systems can sometimes expose a performance overlap between the main CPU and the power of particular hardware graphics configurations. Systems affected include Indigo, Indy, Indigo2, Crimson - any system that can use the older gfx options such as XS24, XL, XZ, Elan and Extreme (newer graphics options like IMPACT and those for Octane offer geometry performance that has not yet been exceeded by main CPU power; MaxIMPACT offers 960MFLOPS of compute power from the two GE11 ASICs). Since Indigo2 IMPACT can be faster than O2, and O2 can be faster than low-end Indigo2s and Indys, then O2 also comes into the equation.

It all means that one must judge carefully what is the best system if one is considering a 2nd-hand purchase. Until I'd performed this analysis, I'd always assumed that a system with a graphics board that accelerated geometry/lighting would outperform the same system using a graphics board that didn't. This can quite easily not be the case if the main CPU is a good one and the task is of a particular type (ie. complex lighting).

Just like any benchmark, the results presented here will only be of interest to those whose tasks are similar to the benchmark. In this case, I suggest such people will be those involved with VRML modeling, real-time 3D animation and possibly game creation (the latter may be less true because most people doing game development aim for higher power hardware that supports accelerated texturing - such systems usually offer much better geometry/lighting acceleration anyway).

If you are such a person and are currently in the middle of contemplating a system upgrade, consider the options carefully! Up until now, if someone had an R4K/150 Indigo XZ, I would typicallly recommend aiming for an Indigo2 Extreme, but a better choice might actually be an R5K Indy, Indigo2 XL with high-clocked R4400 or R10K, or O2 with a good main CPU.

In fact, this is possibly an area where O2 could be targeted to better effect. Traditional primitive-level benchmarks can easily lead one to believe Indigo2 Extreme may not be much slower than O2, but situations like HolliDance show that this assumption can easily be wrong by a factor of 3 or more.

This is yet another reason why one should be all the more aware of the nature of one's application and have at least a basic appreciation of how 3D graphics rendering works.


Incidentally, think back to the time when SGI released the R5000 for Indy. As part of the release, SGI renamed XL graphics configurations that came with R5000 from XL to XGE , and SGI never released performance figures for R5K Indy XZ - why? At the time, most people saw these moves as merely clumsy PR attempts to attract sales. But with hindsight the real reasons are obvious: an Indy cannot use any R5K present for geometry/lighting acceleration if there is an XZ graphics board present as well! Thus, figured SGI, in order to utilise R5K's higher performance for these tasks, an Indy must be using XL, so we'll give such systems a unique name (XGE) and never release performance figures for R5K XZ because there's no point (the R5K wouldn't be helping out with geometry/lighting - the performance wouldn't be that much better than an R4400/200 XZ). What SGI didn't was make these factors clear enough to sales personal and end users. Another little mystery solved.


And Finally...

The obvious question posed by all this is: can one stop a hardware graphics board from doing the geometry/lighting calculations? The honest answer at the moment is, I don't know. I'm trying to find out whether one can do this using GL calls (or whatever) to force geometry/lighting calculations onto the main CPU. If this can be done, applications like HolliDance could be speeded up by 2 or 3 times on some systems! If you have any information on this subject which may help clarify these issues, please feel free to contact me. Someone said that maybe offscreen rendering could be relevant, but I'm not sure yet.


What about non-SGI systems?

The concepts discussed here could easily apply to graphics systems on non-SGI machines. In the case of PCs, I can imagine a scenario where, for example, an entry-level GLINT GAMMA system with a K6-2 processor was outperformed by a dual-PII/400 system with a 3Dfx Voodoo2 (remember that the K6-2 is 4X faster than the PII/400 for single-precision floating point computation). Why should this be? Because, like the SGI examples given above, the 3Dfx system must do the geometry and lighting on the main CPU(s) whilst the GLINT system must (I suspect) do such calculations on the GLINT geometry engine - an entry GLINT system is highly unlikely to offer greater geometry power than than two PII/400s (not sure though; I'll check) and so the 3Dfx should be faster. Hence, for someone considering VRML modeling on PCs, they'd probably be far better off getting a K6-2 system with a graphics card like 3Dfx that does not have geometry/lighting acceleration. That's a definite point against the assumption that high-end PC graphics cards must always be faster. Put another way, I wouldn't recommend a high-end PC graphics system with geometry acceleration unless the buyer can afford a configuration with the best possible geometry power in the first instance (eg. maxed-out GLINT system), but that'd probably be quite expensive.

There must come a point though where the needs of calculating geometry and lighting, and the requirements of other effects and factors such as texturing, pixel fill, antialiasing, etc. must be properly combined. That will require a whole new approach and I think we'll start seeing such new methods sometime in 1999.


The Future

David White, the author of HolliDance (HD), has agreed to implement some changes I recommended that would enhance the degree to which HD can be used as a benchmark. The main change is that the next release of HD will allow one to have between 0 and 8 lights, instead of just the fixed 0 or 3. Two lights are always directional, so one will be able to have between 1 and 6 spotlights of different colours (one of which is always white). This is great! It will allow people to run the tests for different numbers of lights and see how the performance drops off as lighting complexity increases. With this data put into a line graph, such graphs can then be combined to create an all-encompassing HD performance diagram for SGI systems: one will be able to see exactly when, where and how systems drop off in performance as the number of lights increases, at what point the performance levels of different systems overlap or exceed each other in counter-intuitive ways, and observe any performance 'sweet spots' that occur. For example, I expect to see a different degree of performance drop-off for Onyx2 IR when the number of lights changes from 4 to 5 compared to changing from 3 to 4 (because IR supports four hardware lights).

In addition, David is going to include a feature whereby the various frames-per-second numbers displayed during the previous user-defined number of seconds (X) will be shown as an updated average frames-per-second every X seconds. This will make it much easier to observe performance levels. David is also including other enhancements, and a new release of HolliDance should be available within a matter of a few weeks. Note that, when the new version comes out, I will reorganise the test suite and re-contact all those who've submitted results so far, asking them if they would mind submitting a new set of results for situations involving different numbers of lights (obviously, the existing results will be perfectly valid for a test involving 3 lights). I hope you, like me, look forward to being able to extract some real detailed useful information about how various SGI systems perform and behave for HolliDance, a program that is - in my opinion - very representative of the rapidly emerging field of VRML, and a useful indicator of performance for general real-time 3D animation, games, etc.

I'll post a message to the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy when David releases the next version of HolliDance.


Credits

My thanks to Chris Zach whose questions about upgrading an R3000 Indigo Elan prompted this entire investigation. Also to Dave Olson of SGI for answering some of my questions on the subject, and to Homme Bitter of WebGuide for offering me some webspace for a mirror just when I needed it. Most of all, many thanks to David White for creating such a cool and useful program.

Comments, suggestions, etc. are most welcome. Now, if you haven't done so already, send in your HolliDance test results! :)


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